

Industry
Next Mile Podcast
Acquiring Founder-Led RIAs Without Losing What Made Them Great

Kyle Van Pelt
Every founder-led RIA was built on something personal. A vision for how clients should be served. A culture shaped by the founder's values. A team that bought into that specific way of doing things. When an acquirer comes in, all of that is at risk — and getting the integration wrong doesn't just lose clients. It loses the very thing that made the firm worth acquiring in the first place.
The RIA consolidation wave has produced plenty of cautionary tales. Forced platform migrations that drive out experienced advisors. Cultural steamrolling that turns committed employees into passive clock-watchers. Integration playbooks that prioritize operational efficiency over human connection. The result is often a firm that looks bigger on paper but has lost the energy, loyalty, and client relationships that drove its success.
John Bunch, CEO of Allworth Financial, has spent his career working at the intersection of scale and founder legacy. On a recent episode of the Next Mile podcast, he shared a philosophy that challenges the typical acquirer's playbook — and offers lessons for any firm navigating the deeply human side of M&A.
Be a fiduciary to their dreams
When asked about navigating relationships with founders whose firms Allworth acquires, Bunch offered a line that stopped the conversation: "I believe I'm a fiduciary to their dreams."
It's a powerful reframing. Most acquirers think of themselves as buyers. They're purchasing a revenue stream, a client base, a set of assets under management. The transaction is financial. The integration is operational. The founder is a transition figure who will eventually step aside.
Bunch's framing flips that entirely. The founders built something meaningful — not primarily to make money, but to make people's lives better. Honoring that intent isn't sentimentality. It's a strategic choice that preserves the trust, relationships, and culture that make the acquisition valuable.
"They built this firm with really an intent — it wasn't about making money for any of them. It was about making people's lives better," Bunch said. "I think if you start there and you respect the past, but also listen intently and give them hope for the future, so that it isn't just a, 'Hey, you did a great job in the past and I'm now the person that's going to drive the future.' It has to be a partnership."
Stay connected after the deal closes
One practical manifestation of this philosophy is how Bunch maintains relationships with founders long after the acquisition is complete.
"I actually just had a conversation yesterday with Adam Bold. I haven't worked for Adam for six or seven years," Bunch shared. "I see Rick Edelman quite frequently. I meet with our founders probably every two weeks just to talk about the health of the business."
This ongoing engagement serves multiple purposes. It signals to the broader organization that founders are respected and valued, not discarded. It provides Bunch with perspectives and institutional knowledge that no dashboard can capture. And it creates continuity for employees and clients who built relationships around those founders.
"It would really be foolish for me not to listen to them," Bunch said. "And I think part of that's just checking your ego at the door and making sure the best ideas win."
For acquirers, this is a practical investment of time that pays outsized returns in cultural cohesion. Founders talk to their former employees, their former clients, their industry peers. How they describe the experience of being acquired shapes the acquirer's reputation in the market — and either accelerates or undermines the next deal.
"The right way" vs. "our way"
One of the most common integration mistakes is imposing the acquirer's processes uniformly across every acquired firm. It's efficient. It's scalable. And it's often wrong.
Bunch shared a telling anecdote about his early days at Allworth. During integrations, the team would talk about doing things "the Allworth way." Bunch pushed back.
"I said, 'Hey, I got a new idea. Why don't we just do it the right way?' Because that doesn't mean that everything that Allworth does is right," he recalled.
This isn't just semantic. It's a fundamental shift in integration philosophy. "The Allworth way" implies the acquired firm needs to conform. "The right way" implies the best idea wins, regardless of where it comes from. The acquired firm might have a better client onboarding process, a more effective meeting cadence, a smarter approach to portfolio reviews. If the acquirer's playbook isn't designed to absorb those insights, they're destroyed in the integration process.
This openness also changes how employees experience the integration. When the message is "we're going to do it the right way and your ideas matter," people lean in. When the message is "here's how we do things now," people comply — and compliance is a poor substitute for commitment.
Committed vs. compliant
Bunch drew a sharp distinction between these two states that applies well beyond M&A integration.
"You can have them be compliant or committed — which one would you rather have?" he posed. "I want those folks committed, because if they're compliant, when it fails, it's all on me. When they're committed, it's a team effort and people will find a way to win."
The difference between a compliant workforce and a committed one is enormous in an advisory firm. Compliant advisors follow the new processes, use the new systems, and attend the required meetings. Committed advisors actively look for ways to grow their practice within the new platform, advocate for the firm to their clients, and contribute ideas for improvement.
Getting commitment requires investing in the "why" behind changes, not just the "what." Bunch traced this insight back to his time at Charles Schwab in the 1990s.
"Dave Patrick and Chuck Schwab were really, really good at making sure that you understood the why, not just the what," he recalled. "Employees will do virtually anything you want as long as they understand why you're doing it."
Building a culture where failure isn't feared
Another element of Bunch's integration approach is creating psychological safety around failure. In a post-acquisition environment, employees are already anxious — about their jobs, about changing expectations, about whether the new leadership values what they bring.
"If you build a culture where people don't fear for their jobs or for failure, I think you're going to build something that's unique and special," Bunch said.
This is particularly important during the transition period when acquired teams are learning new systems, adopting new processes, and adjusting to new leadership. If the first mistake leads to punishment or marginalization, the team retreats into compliance mode. If mistakes are treated as learning opportunities and the team is supported through the adjustment, they move toward commitment.
The growth proof point
There's a practical test for whether an acquirer's integration approach is working: do the acquired firms grow after the acquisition?
Allworth's numbers tell a compelling story. "We've done 43 acquisitions and I think 39 of the 43 are net organic growth positive," Bunch shared.
That's a remarkable success rate. It suggests that the approach — respecting founder legacy, staying connected, pursuing the right way rather than the acquirer's way, seeking commitment over compliance, creating safety around failure — isn't just feel-good philosophy. It translates into business results.
The four firms that weren't yet positive on organic growth were close — "off by five or six million," according to Bunch. That level of granularity also points to the data infrastructure supporting these decisions. Allworth can track organic growth at the individual acquisition level, which means they can identify what's working, what isn't, and intervene with precision.
Lessons for the industry
The consolidation wave in wealth management isn't slowing down. If anything, the pressure on smaller firms — rising compliance costs, technology demands, succession challenges — will drive more acquisitions in the years ahead.
The question isn't whether consolidation will continue. It's whether acquirers will do it in a way that preserves value or destroys it. The firms that approach acquisition as a purely financial transaction — buy, integrate, optimize — will find that the human capital they're paying premium multiples for walks out the door or disengages.
The firms that approach it as Bunch describes — with fiduciary care for the founder's vision, ongoing investment in relationships, openness to better ideas regardless of source, and a commitment to building rather than mandating culture — will be the ones that successfully scale while retaining what makes each acquired firm special.
As the math on M&A continues to get more expensive, the ability to grow organically after an acquisition becomes the difference between a good deal and a bad one. And that ability, more than any technology platform or operational playbook, comes down to how well you handle the human side.
This article is based on insights from Episode 113 of the Next Mile podcast, featuring John Bunch, CEO of Allworth Financial, in conversation with host Kyle Van Pelt, CEO and Co-Founder of Milemarker.
For more conversations with the leaders shaping the future of wealth management, subscribe to the Next Mile podcast. And if you want weekly insights on WealthTech, data, and growth strategy delivered to your inbox, sign up for the Rising Tide newsletter.

Industry
Next Mile Podcast
Acquiring Founder-Led RIAs Without Losing What Made Them Great

Kyle Van Pelt
Every founder-led RIA was built on something personal. A vision for how clients should be served. A culture shaped by the founder's values. A team that bought into that specific way of doing things. When an acquirer comes in, all of that is at risk — and getting the integration wrong doesn't just lose clients. It loses the very thing that made the firm worth acquiring in the first place.
The RIA consolidation wave has produced plenty of cautionary tales. Forced platform migrations that drive out experienced advisors. Cultural steamrolling that turns committed employees into passive clock-watchers. Integration playbooks that prioritize operational efficiency over human connection. The result is often a firm that looks bigger on paper but has lost the energy, loyalty, and client relationships that drove its success.
John Bunch, CEO of Allworth Financial, has spent his career working at the intersection of scale and founder legacy. On a recent episode of the Next Mile podcast, he shared a philosophy that challenges the typical acquirer's playbook — and offers lessons for any firm navigating the deeply human side of M&A.
Be a fiduciary to their dreams
When asked about navigating relationships with founders whose firms Allworth acquires, Bunch offered a line that stopped the conversation: "I believe I'm a fiduciary to their dreams."
It's a powerful reframing. Most acquirers think of themselves as buyers. They're purchasing a revenue stream, a client base, a set of assets under management. The transaction is financial. The integration is operational. The founder is a transition figure who will eventually step aside.
Bunch's framing flips that entirely. The founders built something meaningful — not primarily to make money, but to make people's lives better. Honoring that intent isn't sentimentality. It's a strategic choice that preserves the trust, relationships, and culture that make the acquisition valuable.
"They built this firm with really an intent — it wasn't about making money for any of them. It was about making people's lives better," Bunch said. "I think if you start there and you respect the past, but also listen intently and give them hope for the future, so that it isn't just a, 'Hey, you did a great job in the past and I'm now the person that's going to drive the future.' It has to be a partnership."
Stay connected after the deal closes
One practical manifestation of this philosophy is how Bunch maintains relationships with founders long after the acquisition is complete.
"I actually just had a conversation yesterday with Adam Bold. I haven't worked for Adam for six or seven years," Bunch shared. "I see Rick Edelman quite frequently. I meet with our founders probably every two weeks just to talk about the health of the business."
This ongoing engagement serves multiple purposes. It signals to the broader organization that founders are respected and valued, not discarded. It provides Bunch with perspectives and institutional knowledge that no dashboard can capture. And it creates continuity for employees and clients who built relationships around those founders.
"It would really be foolish for me not to listen to them," Bunch said. "And I think part of that's just checking your ego at the door and making sure the best ideas win."
For acquirers, this is a practical investment of time that pays outsized returns in cultural cohesion. Founders talk to their former employees, their former clients, their industry peers. How they describe the experience of being acquired shapes the acquirer's reputation in the market — and either accelerates or undermines the next deal.
"The right way" vs. "our way"
One of the most common integration mistakes is imposing the acquirer's processes uniformly across every acquired firm. It's efficient. It's scalable. And it's often wrong.
Bunch shared a telling anecdote about his early days at Allworth. During integrations, the team would talk about doing things "the Allworth way." Bunch pushed back.
"I said, 'Hey, I got a new idea. Why don't we just do it the right way?' Because that doesn't mean that everything that Allworth does is right," he recalled.
This isn't just semantic. It's a fundamental shift in integration philosophy. "The Allworth way" implies the acquired firm needs to conform. "The right way" implies the best idea wins, regardless of where it comes from. The acquired firm might have a better client onboarding process, a more effective meeting cadence, a smarter approach to portfolio reviews. If the acquirer's playbook isn't designed to absorb those insights, they're destroyed in the integration process.
This openness also changes how employees experience the integration. When the message is "we're going to do it the right way and your ideas matter," people lean in. When the message is "here's how we do things now," people comply — and compliance is a poor substitute for commitment.
Committed vs. compliant
Bunch drew a sharp distinction between these two states that applies well beyond M&A integration.
"You can have them be compliant or committed — which one would you rather have?" he posed. "I want those folks committed, because if they're compliant, when it fails, it's all on me. When they're committed, it's a team effort and people will find a way to win."
The difference between a compliant workforce and a committed one is enormous in an advisory firm. Compliant advisors follow the new processes, use the new systems, and attend the required meetings. Committed advisors actively look for ways to grow their practice within the new platform, advocate for the firm to their clients, and contribute ideas for improvement.
Getting commitment requires investing in the "why" behind changes, not just the "what." Bunch traced this insight back to his time at Charles Schwab in the 1990s.
"Dave Patrick and Chuck Schwab were really, really good at making sure that you understood the why, not just the what," he recalled. "Employees will do virtually anything you want as long as they understand why you're doing it."
Building a culture where failure isn't feared
Another element of Bunch's integration approach is creating psychological safety around failure. In a post-acquisition environment, employees are already anxious — about their jobs, about changing expectations, about whether the new leadership values what they bring.
"If you build a culture where people don't fear for their jobs or for failure, I think you're going to build something that's unique and special," Bunch said.
This is particularly important during the transition period when acquired teams are learning new systems, adopting new processes, and adjusting to new leadership. If the first mistake leads to punishment or marginalization, the team retreats into compliance mode. If mistakes are treated as learning opportunities and the team is supported through the adjustment, they move toward commitment.
The growth proof point
There's a practical test for whether an acquirer's integration approach is working: do the acquired firms grow after the acquisition?
Allworth's numbers tell a compelling story. "We've done 43 acquisitions and I think 39 of the 43 are net organic growth positive," Bunch shared.
That's a remarkable success rate. It suggests that the approach — respecting founder legacy, staying connected, pursuing the right way rather than the acquirer's way, seeking commitment over compliance, creating safety around failure — isn't just feel-good philosophy. It translates into business results.
The four firms that weren't yet positive on organic growth were close — "off by five or six million," according to Bunch. That level of granularity also points to the data infrastructure supporting these decisions. Allworth can track organic growth at the individual acquisition level, which means they can identify what's working, what isn't, and intervene with precision.
Lessons for the industry
The consolidation wave in wealth management isn't slowing down. If anything, the pressure on smaller firms — rising compliance costs, technology demands, succession challenges — will drive more acquisitions in the years ahead.
The question isn't whether consolidation will continue. It's whether acquirers will do it in a way that preserves value or destroys it. The firms that approach acquisition as a purely financial transaction — buy, integrate, optimize — will find that the human capital they're paying premium multiples for walks out the door or disengages.
The firms that approach it as Bunch describes — with fiduciary care for the founder's vision, ongoing investment in relationships, openness to better ideas regardless of source, and a commitment to building rather than mandating culture — will be the ones that successfully scale while retaining what makes each acquired firm special.
As the math on M&A continues to get more expensive, the ability to grow organically after an acquisition becomes the difference between a good deal and a bad one. And that ability, more than any technology platform or operational playbook, comes down to how well you handle the human side.
This article is based on insights from Episode 113 of the Next Mile podcast, featuring John Bunch, CEO of Allworth Financial, in conversation with host Kyle Van Pelt, CEO and Co-Founder of Milemarker.
For more conversations with the leaders shaping the future of wealth management, subscribe to the Next Mile podcast. And if you want weekly insights on WealthTech, data, and growth strategy delivered to your inbox, sign up for the Rising Tide newsletter.

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Phone
+1 (470) 502-5600
Mailing Address
Milemarker
PO Box 262
Isle Of Palms, SC 29451-9998
Legal Address
Milemarker Inc.
16192 Coastal Highway
Lewes, Delaware 19958
Built by Teams In:
Atlanta, Charleston, Cincinnati, Denver, Los Angeles, Omaha & Portland.
Partners




Platform
Solutions
© 2026 Milemarker Inc. All rights reserved
DISCLAIMER: All product names, logos, and brands are property of their respective owners in the U.S. and other countries, and are used for identification purposes only. Use of these names, logos, and brands does not imply affiliation or endorsement.

Phone
+1 (470) 502-5600
Mailing Address
Milemarker
PO Box 262
Isle Of Palms, SC 29451-9998
Legal Address
Milemarker Inc.
16192 Coastal Highway
Lewes, Delaware 19958
Built by Teams In:
Atlanta, Charleston, Cincinnati, Denver, Los Angeles, Omaha & Portland.
Partners




Platform
Solutions
© 2026 Milemarker Inc. All rights reserved
DISCLAIMER: All product names, logos, and brands are property of their respective owners in the U.S. and other countries, and are used for identification purposes only. Use of these names, logos, and brands does not imply affiliation or endorsement.

Phone
+1 (470) 502-5600
Mailing Address
Milemarker
PO Box 262
Isle Of Palms, SC 29451-9998
Legal Address
Milemarker Inc.
16192 Coastal Highway
Lewes, Delaware 19958
Built by Teams In:
Atlanta, Charleston, Cincinnati, Denver, Los Angeles, Omaha & Portland.
Partners




Platform
Solutions
© 2026 Milemarker Inc. All rights reserved
DISCLAIMER: All product names, logos, and brands are property of their respective owners in the U.S. and other countries, and are used for identification purposes only. Use of these names, logos, and brands does not imply affiliation or endorsement.

